Dropping file onto archive (ZIP)

drteeth · #1 02-20-2009, 09:38 PM

When I drag a file (no difference left or right drag) onto an archive, I get an error message saying the archive cannot be created as it exists - this is unecessary (can it be removed) - I get asked if I want to update the existing file - which I do. I would like an option as to whether the file is moved or added - I can only seem to do the latter. Part of this process is a message asking if I want to overwrite the existing acrchive...which is quite alarming.

I do like dragging and dropping with archives and the process with PA is not as polished as it could be.

With kind regards

DrT

spwolf · #2 02-21-2009, 02:47 PM

the way it works for me is it asks you if you are sure if you want to update the file, because you might do it by accident (drag an file icon onto the archive icon)... and it asks you to overwrite only if you say no to update...

Overwrite should be alarming as old archive is being deleted.

Or is there something else happening for you?

drteeth · #3 02-21-2009, 04:01 PM

Hi,

It happens for me just as I described it...with the 'unable to create as it exists' message. I have just checked with several different zip files all the same result. I get the overwriting message if I decline to update the existing archive. I get exactly the same behaviour on another PC. What more info can I give you? I can do screen shots if you need.

Cheers

DrT

spwolf · #4 02-21-2009, 04:09 PM

yeah but how are you creating the archive? step by step please... there are many different ways...

thanks,

spwolf · #5 02-21-2009, 04:10 PM

if you decline the update, you should get overwrite message, what do you expect to get? But I dont understand the first part (unable to create...).

TBGBe · #6 02-21-2009, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by drteeth

When I drag a file (no difference left or right drag) onto an archive, I get an error message saying the archive cannot be created as it exists

I don't see this either, however I'm on XP. Which OS are you using - I know you have XP and Vista but also

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Originally Posted by drteeth

Just got the Win 7 beta installed and will be checking it out.

spwolf · #7 02-21-2009, 05:29 PM

well I have Win7 too :-)

drteeth · #8 02-22-2009, 10:00 AM

Hi guys,

1) Using XP. Just tested it with Vista, drag and drop does not work.

2) The archive already exists. I like using drag and drop to add/move a file to an *existing* archive. Just drag and drop an existing file onto an existing zip file until a '+' appears.

WinZip does this okay without any error messages of any type...it just works - in fact a dialogue box appears asking if I want to add or move the extra file. IIRC, there is a section in the options to configure this behaviour. Don't use WinZip anymore so a moot point.

Let me know if you need any further info.

Cheers

DrT

spwolf · #9 02-22-2009, 10:13 AM

so you are drag and dropping an file into an archive.zip icon? right? Thats what i need.

drteeth · #10 02-22-2009, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by spwolf

so you are drag and dropping an file into an archive.zip icon? right? Thats what i need.

That's it. Sorry I was not more clear.

Cheers

DrT

spwolf · #11 02-22-2009, 10:41 AM

that works here... it might be due to specific zip maybe? maybe filename or complete path?

create 1.zip in C:\1 and try adding 1.txt from C:\1 to it, does that work?

TBGBe · #12 02-22-2009, 02:24 PM

Still don't see the "unable..." message?

Just to be explicit - how are you doing this..

Where is the Zip archive -
a) In PA GUI
b) Using Windows explorer
c) Just on Windows Desktop
d) Drive/Partition/Network?

And same questions for the file you are dragging.

I am guessing that the dragged file does not already exist inside archive - although doesn't seem to matter in my checking.
P.S. Also Zip is not password protected??

drteeth · #13 02-22-2009, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by TBGBe

Still don't see the "unable..." message?

Just to be explicit - how are you doing this..

Where is the Zip archive -
a) In PA GUI
b) Using Windows explorer
c) Just on Windows Desktop
d) Drive/Partition/Network?

And same questions for the file you are dragging.

I am guessing that the dragged file does not already exist inside archive - although doesn't seem to matter in my checking.
P.S. Also Zip is not password protected??

Tested on two PCs under XP with the same result. Several files tested.
PS Three PCs now tested with the same result.

drteeth · #14 02-22-2009, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by spwolf

that works here... it might be due to specific zip maybe? maybe filename or complete path?

create 1.zip in C:\1 and try adding 1.txt from C:\1 to it, does that work?

Tested on two PCs under XP with several zips. The results of the test that you asked me to do are attached - no change. What I am trying to achieve only works if I click 'yes' in drop.jpg (the larger of the two shots).

Just fired up an old XP laptop, same result there too using your 1.zip test.

Cheers

DrT

spwolf · #15 02-22-2009, 07:04 PM

you are using english 11.03 right?

thanks!

TBGBe · #16 02-23-2009, 06:01 AM

OK. I completely mis-understood your original message.

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Originally Posted by drteeth

When I drag a file (no difference left or right drag) onto an archive, I get an error message saying the archive cannot be created as it exists - this is unecessary (can it be removed) - I get asked if I want to update the existing file - which I do.

I thought this was two dialogues - but you meant that the information is only in the one; and I do see this.

I don't agree that it is unnecessary - what if you dropped on the wrong archive (or only meant to drop in a gap to do a windows move/copy and not an archive process)? This is the only way to provide an "oops - cancel" option.

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Originally Posted by drteeth

I would like an option as to whether the file is moved or added - I can only seem to do the latter.

Correct - drag and drop to an archive only performs the "copy" function (as in backup).

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Originally Posted by drteeth

Part of this process is a message asking if I want to overwrite the existing acrchive...which is quite alarming.

Only if you choose not to "update" the existing archive. This is logical as you are then creating an archive with the same name (and in the same folder) as the existing one - it should not be overwritten silently.

All in PA 11.03.04 (english).

drteeth · #17 02-23-2009, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by spwolf

you are using english 11.03 right?

thanks!

11.03.04 English, yes.

Cheers

DrT

drteeth · #18 02-23-2009, 11:36 AM

@ Terry

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I don't agree that it is unnecessary - what if you dropped on the wrong archive (or only meant to drop in a gap to do a windows move/copy and not an archive process)? This is the only way to provide an "oops - cancel" option.

The file is moved or copied NOT deleted. The recycle bin can also be used as a safety net. There is no need for an extra "oops - cancel" option.

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Correct - drag and drop to an archive only performs the "copy" function (as in backup).

It does not have to be so, cf WinZip.

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Only if you choose not to "update" the existing archive. This is logical as you are then creating an archive with the same name (and in the same folder) as the existing one - it should not be overwritten silently.

Adding or moving a file to an archive has got nothing to do with overwriting the archive...the message appears even with differently archive/file names.

Cheers

DrT

TBGBe · #19 02-23-2009, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by drteeth

The file is moved or copied NOT deleted. The recycle bin can also be used as a safety net. There is no need for an extra "oops - cancel" option.

I wasn't referring to the dragged file, update modifies the archive file as well, which could be the unwanted action (e.g. oops - wrong archive).

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Originally Posted by drteeth

Adding or moving a file to an archive has got nothing to do with overwriting the archive...the message appears even with differently archive/file names.

No, you are adding <file> to <archive.zip> so modifying the existing archive. If you cancel this add, then the next action would be to create a new archive using the filename of the original archive (hence overwriting it).

Drag & drop is not creating <file.zip>.

Of course, you could say that this overwrite should not occur - when choosing Cancel to update, then just cancel everything.

drteeth · #20 02-23-2009, 01:15 PM

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I wasn't referring to the dragged file, update modifies the archive file as well, which could be the unwanted action (e.g. oops - wrong archive).

So a file is added to the archive either way, it can be deleted.

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If you cancel this add, then the next action would be to create a new archive using the filename of the original archive (hence overwriting it).

Why should there be a 'next action'? The way you are writing it is as if you regard it as an inevitable action. If I want to create an archive, I will...but what has drag and drop got to do with it?

TBGBe · #21 02-23-2009, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by drteeth

Why should there be a 'next action'? The way you are writing it is as if you regard it as an inevitable action.

That is why I also said..

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Of course, you could say that this overwrite should not occur - when choosing Cancel to update, then just cancel everything.

spwolf · #22 02-23-2009, 03:08 PM

we did next action on purpose, in case you sometimes want to overwrite instead of update the file.

but i still dont get error message....

drteeth · #23 02-23-2009, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by spwolf

we did next action on purpose, in case you sometimes want to overwrite instead of update the file.

but i still dont get error message....

That's strange as the situation is consistent here across 3 PCs. Unless you can suggest a way to diagnose/debug the process, I'll have to give up on drag and drop. Now where's that copy of WinZip?

Cheers

DrT

spwolf · #24 02-23-2009, 03:39 PM

tbge - do you get error as well? (not update/overwrite)

TBGBe · #25 02-24-2009, 08:00 AM

Do you mean this one

spwolf · #26 02-24-2009, 08:07 AM

yeah, thats supposed to be that way - i get different worded one since for vista we had to use different drag and drop code for it to work (one without can not create but just update notification)....

if you guys want, we could give full d&d options window when you drag and drop here (check with archive open in PA and then drag and drop file for example)? Or just change the wording to mention update only and not can not create?

TBGBe · #27 02-24-2009, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by spwolf

Or just change the wording to mention update only and not can not create?

That would be my preference.
And when choosing No on update, then just quit - as it does if

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Originally Posted by spwolf

with archive open in PA and then drag and drop file

To me using Drag&Drop (files/folders) on existing archive to create new archive with same name just "feels" wrong

spwolf · #28 02-24-2009, 03:35 PM

well some people use that...

i think easiest is to give full d&d menu on this one an voila... ok?

drteeth · #29 03-02-2009, 04:43 AM

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Originally Posted by spwolf

well some people use that...

i think easiest is to give full d&d menu on this one an voila... ok?

yes please. Thanks both to you and TBGBe.

Regards

DrT

spwolf · #30 03-03-2009, 05:55 PM

and now? :-)

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